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Re: Lafayette ssb 140 info needed low ssb power

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dj56 wrote: 09 Aug 2026, 23:41I did replace the Regulator 2sd525 and had the same results replaced C1 C2 and same results
Seeing that this is exactly the same power supply board as in the Ham Jumbo, 007COX, there could well be other components on that board that are causing the fault - what about the Zener? I've not checked the specs on 2SD525 compared to the original 2SD704 type, but could it be a fake? There's a lot of fake components out there, especially if you bought the cheapest available and didn't use a recognised supplier. A mate of mine recently needed a particular CB radio transistor and I told him where I've got them from in the past and they've always been good, albeit a bit more expensive. He had three goes at buying this component, one from a German supplier, one from a Chinese supplier and one from a supposedly trusted UK supplier. All of them, without exception, were fake and useless. He brought them to me to test and they were all fake rubbish. So finally he bought from where I'd suggested in the first place, with absolutely perfect results and no more problems, other than getting refunds for the fakes from the previous suppliers. The German and Chinese suppliers gave instant refunds, however, the UK supplier was a lot slower and much more difficult to deal with, finally refunding once the parts were returned, sadly with no apology whatsoever...I won't name the supplier, as a lot of their parts are good and their prices reasonable, although I suspect that some will have already guessed who they are.

It's not the mains transformer. The incoming mains will vary during the day and cause that sort of variation on the transformer output. There could be a grounding issue somewhere, ie, a hot or bad connection that only shows up under load. For the purest, a rig is ruined once the original power supply has been removed and replaced, even if the modern replacement is actually better than the original. Value can be wiped of a radio with this kind of modification, but if you're not intending to ever sell the radio on to someone else, then fit a replacement power supply and be done with it.

I remember having a fault similar to this on a Jumbo years ago and I went through all the same tests as you are doing. The difference was that the radio was 'dipping' and 'warbling' on SSB TX. I verified that the mains transformer output was dipping by a couple of volts under load, just the same as yours is doing, that's how I can rule out the transformer being at fault on your radio. I also suspected C1 and C2 and bridged replacements across the originals (the rectifier can cope with the extra inrush surge) and this made no difference. I'd also then run the radio from an external 13.8 volt power supply with no difference to the fault, unlike what you have found, though. I had checked the 9.4 volt line at the Q44 AVR, as mentioned by someone in a previous post and all seemed good there. In the end, after a lot of head scratching, I isolated the Q44 regulator and tacked a 9 volt PP3 battery in its place and the fault disappeared. Replacing Q44 effected a complete cure, even though the original seemed to be doing its job and still tested good. Probably if I'd monitored the 9.4 volt line a bit closer I might have detected the small, but significant variation in the stabilised line voltage, however, although it's worth checking this component, I don't think that this has anything to do with the fault you are experiencing with your radio at the moment, as the fault on yours goes away when you run the whole radio from an external 13.8 volt supply.

So your fault is likely to be still on that 007COX board or a bad ground connection in relation to it.
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Re: Lafayette ssb 140 info needed low ssb power

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Stronty wrote: 10 Aug 2026, 11:31 The guys over at Microchipz do a PSU board that may be more in keeping. If you are convinced it is the PSU.

They also did a fitting vid > Here


PSU for Jumbo.jpg

***EDIT*** You're in the USA, maybe not :cry:
Yes im in the USA I have a 12 @ 5 amp supply here tomorrow from Amazon.
Going to try and see what happens it just 4x3x1.5 so will fit inside perfectly
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Re: Lafayette ssb 140 info needed low ssb power

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NM1020 wrote: 10 Aug 2026, 16:18
dj56 wrote: 09 Aug 2026, 23:41I did replace the Regulator 2sd525 and had the same results replaced C1 C2 and same results
Seeing that this is exactly the same power supply board as in the Ham Jumbo, 007COX, there could well be other components on that board that are causing the fault - what about the Zener? I've not checked the specs on 2SD525 compared to the original 2SD704 type, but could it be a fake? There's a lot of fake components out there, especially if you bought the cheapest available and didn't use a recognised supplier. A mate of mine recently needed a particular CB radio transistor and I told him where I've got them from in the past and they've always been good, albeit a bit more expensive. He had three goes at buying this component, one from a German supplier, one from a Chinese supplier and one from a supposedly trusted UK supplier. All of them, without exception, were fake and useless. He brought them to me to test and they were all fake rubbish. So finally he bought from where I'd suggested in the first place, with absolutely perfect results and no more problems, other than getting refunds for the fakes from the previous suppliers. The German and Chinese suppliers gave instant refunds, however, the UK supplier was a lot slower and much more difficult to deal with, finally refunding once the parts were returned, sadly with no apology whatsoever...I won't name the supplier, as a lot of their parts are good and their prices reasonable, although I suspect that some will have already guessed who they are.

It's not the mains transformer. The incoming mains will vary during the day and cause that sort of variation on the transformer output. There could be a grounding issue somewhere, ie, a hot or bad connection that only shows up under load. For the purest, a rig is ruined once the original power supply has been removed and replaced, even if the modern replacement is actually better than the original. Value can be wiped of a radio with this kind of modification, but if you're not intending to ever sell the radio on to someone else, then fit a replacement power supply and be done with it.

I remember having a fault similar to this on a Jumbo years ago and I went through all the same tests as you are doing. The difference was that the radio was 'dipping' and 'warbling' on SSB TX. I verified that the mains transformer output was dipping by a couple of volts under load, just the same as yours is doing, that's how I can rule out the transformer being at fault on your radio. I also suspected C1 and C2 and bridged replacements across the originals (the rectifier can cope with the extra inrush surge) and this made no difference. I'd also then run the radio from an external 13.8 volt power supply with no difference to the fault, unlike what you have found, though. I had checked the 9.4 volt line at the Q44 AVR, as mentioned by someone in a previous post and all seemed good there. In the end, after a lot of head scratching, I isolated the Q44 regulator and tacked a 9 volt PP3 battery in its place and the fault disappeared. Replacing Q44 effected a complete cure, even though the original seemed to be doing its job and still tested good. Probably if I'd monitored the 9.4 volt line a bit closer I might have detected the small, but significant variation in the stabilised line voltage, however, although it's worth checking this component, I don't think that this has anything to do with the fault you are experiencing with your radio at the moment, as the fault on yours goes away when you run the whole radio from an external 13.8 volt supply.

So your fault is likely to be still on that 007COX board or a bad ground connection in relation to it.
Thanks for the explanation and yes all is good when I plug in my astron 50 amp power supply but once I go AC i loose good forward modulation and low ssb power out. When on ssb and whistle into the hand mic I loose close to 3 volts.
I have a 12 volt @5amps supply coming tomorrow and will try to jury rig it before installing in radio as its only 4x3x1.5 inches only have to remove the transformer to fit in its place.

This radio has 1 of those AC switching receptacles where u plug in the ac and it will disable the dc voltage in.
So im going to wire it so the radio will work the same.
Only way to know if supply was not original is to remove the cover and see the new replacement.

By the time i hunt down new zener diodes and another regulator and the other parts and then the outrageous postage here in the USA for the US postal service i can get a switching power supply get the radio working and then sit down and have a few cold Beers LOL
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Re: Lafayette ssb 140 info needed low ssb power

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dj56 wrote: 10 Aug 2026, 17:03
Stronty wrote: 10 Aug 2026, 11:31 The guys over at Microchipz do a PSU board that may be more in keeping. If you are convinced it is the PSU.

They also did a fitting vid > Here


PSU for Jumbo.jpg

***EDIT*** You're in the USA, maybe not :cry:
Yes im in the USA I have a 12 @ 5 amp supply here tomorrow from Amazon.
Going to try and see what happens it just 4x3x1.5 so will fit inside perfectly
You may find some useful info within this vid when fitting one of those switch mode PSU's

Switch Mode PSU Install
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Re: Lafayette ssb 140 info needed low ssb power

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Stronty wrote: 10 Aug 2026, 17:35
dj56 wrote: 10 Aug 2026, 17:03
Stronty wrote: 10 Aug 2026, 11:31 The guys over at Microchipz do a PSU board that may be more in keeping. If you are convinced it is the PSU.

They also did a fitting vid > Here


PSU for Jumbo.jpg

***EDIT*** You're in the USA, maybe not :cry:
Yes im in the USA I have a 12 @ 5 amp supply here tomorrow from Amazon.
Going to try and see what happens it just 4x3x1.5 so will fit inside perfectly
You may find some useful info within this vid when fitting one of those switch mode PSU's

Switch Mode PSU Install
Thanks great video I bought the same supply should have tomorrow and will install the same way as that supply was installed.


Thanks Bob in USA
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Re: Lafayette ssb 140 info needed low ssb power

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You know the supply is real small in the Telsat about a dozen parts already
replaced the
2sd525
electro C1 C2 same results.

If i have to order the 2 zener diodes and the other 2 transistors and some resistors from different places then pay the shipping it will be about $30-$40 dollars so a new internal supply the radio will get.
I will update when i install next few days here with the results
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