SRH805S Diamond Antenna

[rob42]

I would just like to interject here, (for anyone that is reading this thread and getting a little annoyed that it drifts off topic, in places) that the reason for the subject title is that I thought that the SRH805S Diamond Antenna would be my main point, but as it turns out, and I had thoughts and ideas that had not occurred to me at the time of inception, these new ideas have kind of dominated.

The fact that these new ideas have been covered in the replies, is all credit to the guys that have taken the time to do so, without any grumbling about the subject title: thank you.

If you are new to all of this (as I am), I trust that you find the info here to be of value.

[paulears]

But how would you feel if your antenna performed brilliantly? You would assume it was genuine, and the one the other person had tha was faulty was fake. You cannot have genuine and fake products when there is no patent, or parent company. We also have the strange thing of product distribution chains. A British or American big name brand hand over the engineering to a Chinese company. What comes out of the front door is sold as 100% genuine product, despite the ownership of the factory being private, and indeed production can shift from one plant to another where the only common thing was the end product. Very often these products come out of the back door too - shifted to destinations other than us or America. These are not fakes, or counterfeits, but the correct term if they end up here is grey imports. They bypass country based importers with the brand on the building. As an anecdote to this, a few years back I needed a specific Yamaha product for a project. Yamaha UK did not import it from Japan, and refused to get just one for me. I bought it from a Yamaha dealer in Germany, who shipped it here. Yamaha UK refused to take any responsibility for supporting it, and the German dealer was happy. Both companies were 'Yamaha', but with antennas, ANYONE can use the word NAGOYA. I had a quick look and discovered 16 companies in China - the original company Nagoya, was formed in Japan, but most of those products was made in Taiwan - there doesn't seem to be a factory anywhere with Nagoya on a big sign!

[Stronty]

Hi @Paulears trying to establish what you are saying here. is it, There are no fakes because the antenna design, Nagoya logo and any and all packaging are for anyone to use as they see fit? therefore any Nagoya antenna could be a wet string encased in plastic or something more akin to what you think it should be given any technical spec provided by the seller/distributor or manufacturer BUT as a consumer you throw the dice and take the chance!

But how would you feel if your antenna performed brilliantly? You would assume it was genuine, and the one the other person had tha was faulty was fake. You cannot have genuine and fake products when there is no patent, or parent company.

If my antenna worked within the specs I purchased it for, I wouldn't question it though I may test its bandwidth with my transceiver. But if I purchased a faulty one because it wasn't functioning within specs it wouldn't matter if it was genuine or fake, its bust, simple as that and if you draw that conclusion further and the supplier of the bust one provides another and its the same then you're getting a refund.

There is unlikely to ever be a patent on an antenna as this as the design is public domain and has been for decades. However "NAGOYA" is a registered trademark by the company I linked to earlier and a trademark is a sign recognised legally as a product of a certain manufacturer or under licence manufacture producing a product which they underwrite so to speak.

I'm going to politely disagree with you on your analogy regarding "grey imports" and Yamaha kit. A grey import is usually a genuine item produced by the manufacturer but meant for sale in a different region of the planet. There may or may not be physical differences in the kit but if its meant for Asia Pacific distribution and it finds its way to EMEA it could be defined as Grey. items can be cheaper but support from the LOCAL EMEA support services are not valid as it didn't pass through EMEA Distribution and the retail pricing and disty pricing would not have been adhered too (some call it regional price fixing). And that's only correct, EMEA distribution didn't get to make their cut on the import so why should they support it.

I'm afraid from my own experience there are significant fake Nagoya antenna out in the wild using the Nagoya Trademark while not being authorised to produce or distribute an item with that name on it.