How do you use a repeater ?

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How do you use a repeater ?

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OK no names, but I heard a conversation recently that went along the lines of......

Do you want a word with >>>>>> He's in >>>>> m1xxx (the distant station) can you hear m1xxx ?
m1xxx yeh he's giving me 5 & 9 here.
m1xxx m1xxx you are also 5 & 9 here also, would you like to QSL via the bureau ?

Not one of the stations involved were M3's, so no inexperience excuse or it's down to lack of training excuses.
These idiots were really QSL'ing via a repeater, giving signal reports & seeing who could hear who :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I will admit to having sent & received the odd email, confirmation of a QSO via a repeater where either I or the other operator have had a long distance link into a repeater, I have also sent a special event QSL card clearly marked as conformation of working the above call sign via XYZ repeater, where it was the ONLY way this guy could make contact with us, but to add insult to stupidity these guy's were QSL'ing on a slightly above average distance link into a repeater.
I would personally expect any semi intelligent amateur to realise that it is the same output, from the same transmitter, that everyone in a group is listening to, so comments like can you hear, when that signal is fully quietening is moronic.
Even my 10 year old M3 licenced daughter understands that you do not give signal reports or QSL via repeaters.
OK I will admit this kind of behaviour is better than the dead heads who spend hours keying repeaters, but is the way we should expect trained licenced amateur to use repeaters ?

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Post by g0slq »

I'd settle for some of that here - at least there'd be activity!! - I too have done that, but exactly as you said when I was working through German/French/Dutch and Danish repeaters - after all the repeater is where both stations are reaching.

Were M1xxx and M1xxx both local to the repeater as well? or how far were they from it? - it is quite funny, but just goes to show 11m don't have the monopoly :wink:

Lol if nothing else, it will make George's day.

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Well.... M1xxx is this dude LINK REMOVED who reckons M1xxx was an old callsign.

Also M1xxx ?

Methinks you have been listening to pirates..... arrr :-)

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Post by Guzzy »

is the way we should expect trained licenced amateur to use repeaters
Do Foundation licence holders really get trained in repeater operation?

I'm not saying the information isn't freely available for absolutely anybody to just read on the internet, but I don't believe the Foundation licence training goes into any great detail about repeater operation (or Internet Gateway operation for that matter...).

At least the ones you mention were being polite and civilised. :?

Ps. Sorry about the above editing, but these guys aren't here to answer back.
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Jon I'm sitting here almost wetting myself with tears in my eyes. You've edited the calls out unecessarily as I'm sure KC was referring to ficticious people names just as comic value examples.

Apologies if I'm wrong but that was how I read it as KC also mentioned no names etc. at the beginning of his post.
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Post by Guzzy »

You may well be right, but the link provided by ChickenMadras for one of the "fictitious" call signs pointed to a name and address...
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All i say is that you have a good clear signal coming into the repeater because sometimes they can be over modulating or very weak.
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Do you want a word with >>>>>> He's in >>>>> m1xxx (the distant station) can you hear m1xxx ?
m1xxx yeh he's giving me 5 & 9 here.
m1xxx m1xxx you are also 5 & 9 here also, would you like to QSL via the bureau ?

:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

don't call them amateurs for nothing guys, :wink: :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

i remember telling an amateur once i had worked 68 div line of sight,thats nothing mate came the reply,i did that on 2m on my handy,lol.go figure!! :roll: :oops:
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Post by Nathan »

Guzzy wrote:
is the way we should expect trained licenced amateur to use repeaters
Do Foundation licence holders really get trained in repeater operation?
No they don't. My M3 course gave NO tuition on repeater use whatsoever. I couldn't believe it. I learnt more from the Foundation Now! book than on the course.

Bloody annoyed to be honest. I have had to learn the hard way from listening to repeater use (not knowing if who I was listening to was doing it right either) and getting polite reports from old sweats telling me if I have done something wrong.

I think the only thing I was told on my course was 'you should never CQ through a repeater'.

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We got a fair bit on repeater use, mainly because the head guy was one of the repeater keepers, and the club itself is also part of the north west repeater group that run most of them around here. If i remember correctly it's not really part of the syllabus though.
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These courses just seem to be so inconsistent thats what annoys me.

Got me thinking too- I didn't think there was a problem asking QSL through a repeater- isn't the general consensus that QSL is 'did you receieve my message?' I'm not talking about sending cards or anything, but for example if I am seeing if someone is on air I would say "M3*** from M3***, QSL?"

If no response after a couple of calls I would say "nothing heard, M3*** clearing"

But seeing as I haven't been taught repeater use properly, I am open to contructive critisism as I dont want to wind anyone up!
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Post by Benny »

In my (limited)experience the use of the Q codes is non-existent on 2M.
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Post by Guzzy »

People very rarely use the Q codes on FM. It's pretty much reserved for long distance SSB. The only people using Q codes on FM are people who don't know not to, or perhaps if you are working simplex and are working a VERY week distant station.

Repeaters are for enabling local mobile communication over difficult (blocking) terrain. Homebases can use them, but mobiles are supposed to get priority on them. I guess with such poor use of them nowadays (at least in some areas), people think they are doing the repeater a favour just by using it full stop.

No one minds sensible use of a repeater, just remember - for every single person you can hear using a repeater, there are DOZENS of listeners (probably a lot more in fact). So watch what you say or the repeater police will be all over you! ;-)
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jazzsinger wrote:Do you want a word with >>>>>> He's in >>>>> m1xxx (the distant station) can you hear m1xxx ?
m1xxx yeh he's giving me 5 & 9 here.
m1xxx m1xxx you are also 5 & 9 here also, would you like to QSL via the bureau ?

:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

don't call them amateurs for nothing guys, :wink: :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

i remember telling an amateur once i had worked 68 div line of sight,thats nothing mate came the reply,i did that on 2m on my handy,lol.go figure!! :roll: :oops:
You're a G3 ain't ya?

Come on George lad, out of the closet :lol:
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Post by cosmic »

I've been reading this thread with some interest as i past my foundation last year!!.
In my area i have heard operators quite regularly call CQ on a repeater!
The only time i shout CQ is when on Echolink or DX'ing...
When Dx'ing on 10mtr i use my TM callsign though!!
Still picking up the jargon on 2m!
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